Waldron Career Conversation w/ Olyvia Chinchilla '18 & Leonie '27

In this episode of the Weinberg in the World podcast, Olyvia Chinchilla '18 shares how early experiences (from studying abroad in Poland to working with a Stanford-affiliated nonprofit) shaped her passion for economics, social justice, and empathy-driven research. Olyvia reflects on the challenges and rewards of creating change, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, framing conversations, and seeing people beyond statistics. Her career journey spans teaching, global research, and policy analysis.

Transcript: 

Leonie:
How did your career begin, and what were your career goals coming out of undergrad?

Olyvia:
Well, I believe I mentioned while I was at Northwestern, I had been in the reserve officer training course, I had been planning to go into the Navy, and that ended up not panning out because of a few athletic injuries. But earlier in my time at Northwestern, I believe it was the summer of my sophomore year, I studied abroad. And I was studying in Poland and it was my first time actually being out of the country, so it was super exciting. And I was just super excited also to explore Poland because my mom is originally from Poland. So it was just this really amazing moment.
And I remember going into that program not being able to fully form sentences, to then leaving the program a few weeks later and literally just talking to my friends in the program in Polish as we tried to navigate the city. And I owed a lot of that to one of the instructors there at the program. So she spoke Polish the whole time, but she was so patient whenever we couldn't get it or we didn't understand or there's a translation error. And I think in that moment, my passion for learning was melded with my... I had this vision of perhaps using that to then also teach.
So I had this idea, it stuck in the back of my mind, "Oh, maybe I could take a year off and teach or teach down the road." I did not take a year off, I went back to Northwestern, but I was at a career fair later. And one of the first people I ran into was a national teaching organization. And so that, again, kind of stoked that thought in my mind. And I had planned to actually teach for that program I got accepted, but then I took a year off actually to have a medical procedure following one of the athletic injuries. And when I took that year off, I'm like, "I'll just go to San Francisco for a few months and then Australia for the rest of that year." That was my plan to travel as I recovered.
But when I got to San Francisco, I ended up getting in touch through the Northwestern network with a nonprofit based out of Stanford University, so they were sponsored by Stanford. And it was perfect because it melded my interest in teaching because they had a large educational component in the program for fifth through 12th grade students. And then there was also a significant amount of research being conducted by all of the people at the institution. So it was such, I think, a perfect blend for me because then I got to teach as well as do a lot of research for the program. And I actually ended up researching five continents, or I should say four. I didn't go to the last one, but I definitely traveled the whole world doing that research. So it was quite exciting.

Leonie:
Wow. What subjects were you teaching?

Olyvia:
So the program was structured so that people could focus on their specialties in teaching and research. So I was focused on economic and social policy, and I had colleagues that worked on immigration more specifically, more specifically on cybersecurity, technology issues. I did cover some of technology like AI issues where it met with economics. So I say I covered a lot of issues, but my specialty was always coming at it from an economic and social perspective.

Leonie:
And then I assume the research you were doing was related to economic policy?

Olyvia:
Yes, yes. Policy, but I would say also some of the societal and ethical questions that come up along with policymaking as well as just how communities work and operate. So for example, when we were studying immigration, we were also interviewing a lot of local businesses on the US-Mexico border. We talked with a lot of locals, nonprofits, immigration advocates. So it was kind of like a 360-degree look, but I was always the one who brought that economic knowledge and thought a lot about a lot of social issues too. So that's why several years later, I actually went to London to get a master's in political sociology. So that politics and society part, I think was definitely an element along with the economics.

Leonie:
Yeah. And you kind of touched on this earlier when you were speaking, but you can expand on it now. What was your motivation for going into this field?

Olyvia:
So I think I've always just been really fascinated with how people think and how people also are affected by different structures. And that's where the economics piece comes in because economics, of course, impacts different people differently, impacts different communities differently based on how the policies are structured. So I, for almost as long as I can remember, have been interested in economics. I remember as a 12-year-old, I read Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, and it was a really long book, but at that age, I was still really fascinated by it. So I've always just had that interest, how money interacts with people. But as I've went along, and definitely the role I was in really opened myself to thinking even more about a lot of the ways in which money and economics also creates wealth disparities, racial disparities, disparities for other minorities, like gender groups.
So I feel like all of that, my thought and motivation has evolved quite a bit, I will say, but I think that as I've come along in my career, I've really, as I've just talked to so many people across the entire world, whether it's the communities in Colombia that are still recovering from drug trafficking or whether it's in Iceland talking to different police and then social groups or Portugal as they're working on drug decriminalization, and then seeing that in San Francisco as well in the criminal justice system, just having all of these conversations has really made me really just be motivated to see how we can create the best world for marginalized groups.

Leonie:
Yeah. And then along those lines, what has been the most rewarding and the most challenging aspect of your job?

Olyvia:
So for one, for teaching, it was incredibly rewarding to be able to work with students and to see them understand something. And I think it felt to me a little bit of a puzzle when they didn't as well, how's the best way you can communicate, what's the best way to present a topic? And what I found actually, which was interesting to me with teaching was that oftentimes the way I would structure a lesson to start would actually be the exact opposite of how I would end up teaching it. So I would perhaps structure it linearly, and then I compared it to pulling a plastic bag inside out. You would take something from the middle of that linear story and move it to the beginning and switch things around because I think the way that we actually think is often different than the way that we're tempted to explain things.
So working with that jigsaw puzzle of how to best explain things was also very fascinating. And I think it's also inspired a lot of my thought process about even as I move forward with potentially moving more into policy implementation or other work and policy, definitely that experience will shape that moving forward because I find how we frame conversations around social policymaking really makes a big difference in terms of how it's understood, how it's received, even how people access the program, for example.
There was a study I found very fascinating that was conducted, I believe it was by the University of Minnesota economists. And what they found was that even if they sent a letter in the mail to underprivileged students saying, "Hey, you qualify for this scholarship," but it was actually the same sort of funding they would get anyway just based on their need status, students were more likely to apply for that program. And so I think things like that are really fascinating where we're framing and conversation, thinking about how people think, not just students, but people broadly really does have a big impact on policy.
So I think it was very just amazing and fulfilling to actually have that opportunity to grapple with that. But I think also even just the idea of stepping into a space where you're actively envisioning, researching, working towards creating a better world was very fulfilling. On the flip side, I think it is the same thing that's rewarding in that regards is also sometimes one of the challenges that I think definitely as someone who I really aspire to be a changemaker, and I think that that's sometimes you're constantly learning, constantly thinking. And I think sometimes it's easy to... It's challenging, I should say. It's easy to get burnt out or it's easy to perhaps work too hard maybe.
But I would say, for example, even just some of the interviews that we conducted with people were challenging even to talk to unhoused people in the city or to talk to people in poverty in Aspen, Colorado when we were studying poverty there, or to interview people that had fled from Gaza and to hear their stories, all of those were definitely very emotionally challenging stories. And I think to meet people in that space, you have to give out a certain amount of empathy and understanding, even if it's for research purposes. And I think just navigating that balance was challenging in its own way.

Leonie:
Definitely. I think the point about balance is a really good one. I think being able to incorporate empathy into research is a very critical skill that I think sometimes is lacking. So I really do appreciate that point. And based on your vast experiences, how has your mindset towards your career evolved over time?

Olyvia:
It's interesting because I guess when I was younger, maybe a teenager, I was like, "Oh, A, B, C." And then when I was at Northwestern and it was like, "Well, you do this, and then that, and then this, and it's maybe not quite as linear as the alphabet, but it's point A, B, C." And so you kind of move forward. I think more recently I've come to realize that there's, and this has been a recurring lesson actually. It's not just now, but I would say when I left the military, for example, that was a lesson I was like, "There's many routes to the same destination. If service is one of my goals, there's many ways to serve, even if it's not in the military."
Nowadays, I'm thinking about the fact that I stayed in San Francisco many years longer than I had expected. I was supposed to stay for three months, it became three years, six years, and counting at the moment. So I think one of the things I really realized is that sometimes life takes you in very different directions than you would've expected, and that's the same with your career. I think that definitely can be a challenge to be patient and understanding with the evolution that takes place, but definitely the experiences may be just as fulfilling on a very different route than what you had envisioned.

Leonie:
Yeah. Bringing us back to our Northwestern connection, are there any moments in your career that reminded you of CORE connected you to a lesson you learned at Northwestern?

Olyvia:
What I mentioned earlier about having the capacity to balance your own emotional needs as well as create change and serve, all of those lessons were lessons that I really learned at Northwestern. I remember when I was in ROTC, we watched this video that the Cleveland Clinic had put out, and it was a video that just shows different scenes in the hospital, but then it has thought bubbles next to the people. So for example, the girl petting the dog, it's like, "Well, her dad's dying of cancer. Or the woman sitting in the waiting room, she saw something on her mammogram." So all of these different thoughts and emotions people are experiencing, but you don't really know anything about it.
And having such a diverse community at Northwestern as well as just thinking about that practice of empathy every day really helped me to see that even at Northwestern and since then, is that you might run into someone and think, "Oh, I don't know what to think about this person," or, "Oh, they're frustrating me at work," or, "Oh, this is happening." But a lot of times there's a lot more beneath the surface than we expect.
So I think that lesson of empathy as well as humility is definitely... And I'd say empathy, humility, as well as endless possibilities for different lives of different people that all came together and sent me on a passion for learning and understanding people because I've come full circle, but I would say all of those lessons have really stuck with me throughout my work. And I'd say along those lines, in research, everyone that you're interviewing is more than a statistic.

Leonie:
Absolutely.

Olyvia:
A lot of times it's really hard to quantify things and we do our best as researchers, but sometimes what doesn't go into the research is actually sometimes the most impactful in many ways.

Leonie:
Yeah. Thank you for that answer. I'm a philosophy major and we've been talking a lot about character virtues, and so empathy comes up a lot in our classes. And yeah, seeing how you're able to use empathy in your research and looking at people's more than a statistic, I remember saying it before. Yeah, I think that's really touching and it gives me faith in the further research world and what people are able to do when they look at people beyond just their statistical measurements and whatnot. Yeah. Is there-

Olyvia:
Well, and I think to that point though, I think even if we think about ways that we've began to see different characteristics that have been left out of research, for example, even if we think about rates of death among African-American women during childbirth, or if we think about maybe other environmental effects of certain policies on particular communities that live by highways, for example, and low-income communities, all of that, if you don't look at the bigger picture, might go unnoticed, but definitely if you bring in those larger stories to individual people, you can understand a situation better.

Leonie:
Absolutely. Thank you for that.